shewolf hat geschrieben:Seagull, eine klare Trennung gibt es leider nicht. Wer auch immer etwas auf die Beine stellt, muß sein Risiko minimieren und hängt im schlimmsten Fall trotzdem mit drin...
Beispiel: es regnet am Tag vor dem Wettkampf. Ein Pferd aus 20 Teilnehmerpferden stürzt daraufhin beim Wettkampf, der (Fremd-)Reiter wird verletzt. Wer zahlt, die Unfallversicherung des Reiters? Die Haftplicht des Tierhalters, da der Schaden durch das Pferd verursacht wurde? Der Veranstalter, weil er das Risiko "nasse Bahn" falsch eingeschätzt hat und den Wettkampf trotz schwerem Geläuf hat starten lassen? Die Veranstalterhaftpflicht, die solche Risiken eigentlich abdecken sollte?
Darauf gibt es keine Antwort. Denn je nach Argumentation und Neigung des Richters wird es so oder so ausgehen...
Dito. Langbogenturnier. Ein paar Schützen üben an der Einschießscheibe, ein Depp rennt durch die Schusslinie und wird von einem Pfeil erwischt. Wer ist Schuld, der Veranstalter, weil das Gelände nicht ausreichend gesichert war? Der Depp, weil er gepennt hat? Der Schütze, weil er geschossen hat? Der Kampfrichter, weil der die Einschießscheiben trotz Publikumsverkehr freigegeben hat?
Albtraum!
Also besser vorbeugen: je geringer das Risiko gehalten wird, desto besser
(I'm sorry, but I have to take this reply in English)
I do not think the likeness with a
Langbogenturnier applies, since any competition sanctioned by a club is covered by a common insurance. For instance: Since I am a member of the local archery club, and they in turn part of the national federation (Svenska Bågskytteförbundet, SBF) I am covered for anything relating to that sport - including deaths - both in Sweden and when pariticipating in an international competition (with a limit of there being less than 45 days spent abroad).
It is then clear-cut:
- If I by accident hit someone, and it's my fault, then the insurance covers everything except the whatever-it's-called-again fee
- If it's due to a mistake from the organizer then either that organizer's individual cover or the club's will cover the same way
- If it's the spectator's fault (breaking security lines in spite of warning) then that person's individual other type of insurance (lifeinsurance or such) will take effect
In neither case will the individuals need to ponder who's to blame: They will relate the events to the relevant insurance companies who then decides, or otherwise police.
(Similar goes for the various equine sports, again if sanctioned by relevant club/federation.)
When we checked the regulations for competitions held with people who are not members of an archery group belonging to SBF we were informed by SBF that this can be solved by setting a temporary or limited membership for that individual. This is also how the, in some circles, well known "Stora Skånska 3D-jakten" solves the problem with their numerous international visitors for the 3D-competition.
From what I know similar rules exist in most countries with a long tradition of sports (any sport, from tennis through sailing and onto football) and has specific insurances for this.
Conclusion:
If there is any group of mounted archery in Germany, be it Die Steppenreiter as a whole or if any of the smaller local groups has membership (don't know if any are that formal groups) which includes insurance (and allows international membership), then the issue could easily be resolved by allowing for a temporary and/or limited membership (or a full, like I've done
). There would still be some risk, and it would need to be settled who pays for that previously-mentioned-fee regardless, but any given scenario - damage to participant, specatator or horse; caused by participant, spectator or organizer; by an adult or by an underage - would at least be covered.
Not sure if this helps, but since we were checking this stuff about archery just a couple of weeks ago it was still so fresh in my memory so I figured it wouldn't hurt to compare
Was mal wieder beweist: Keine Regel ohne Ausnahme 
